Rian Johnson on Wake Up Dead Man, Josh OConnors neck tattoo, and AI slop
With Wake Up Dead Man, writer/director Rian Johnson brings a third fascinating Benoit Blanc murder-mystery to movie fans. But what inspired this heady blend of faith, fear, and dogged logic?
Johnson spoke with Mashable Entertainment Editor Kristy Puchko in a Say More interview. Their conversation began on Broadway, weaving in Johnson's long-held love of the theater — including his hopes for Miss Piggy doing Oh, Mary! From there, he talked his love of genre, blending highbrow and lowbrow elements. They dug into that neck tattoo of Josh O'Connor's "hot priest" — and how the internet is thirsting hard over it.
Fun fact for fans: O'Connor created the design himself. Johnson wrote the neck tattoo into the script, and apologized to O'Connor, saying, "I know this is going to be a lot of work. We'll barely glimpse it, and nobody might even notice it, but I feel like this says volumes. This is like the key to this guy."
An AI slop bucket piece of shit was never going to be able to have that connection with an audience because it's never lived.
He continued, "It's something that Josh designed. Because that was another thing, all I wanted to see is one little tiny peek of it. [I told him], 'I want you to pick what it is, and I want you to design it.' And I can't remember exactly what it was. It was some kind of like symbol or something. It wasn't like a word or something, but it was something that Josh kind of came up with a backstory that involved what this thing actually meant."
Beyond being "happy" that fans spotted the tattoo, Johnson is also hopeful about the future of film. While the possible Netflix/Warner Bros. merger has some worried about the fate of movie theaters, and the rise of AI has Hollywood in an uproar, this heralded filmmaker expressed a calm certainty that human-made art in theaters will survive.
"I'm not afraid," Johnson began, "Because I go to the movies, and what I see at the movies are young people. And I see young people showing up to movies. I see them getting excited to go with friends and have that experience. And I mean, AI is a bunch of slop bullshit...I don't care how good it gets. I think there is some element of the movie-going process where it's a bit like theater, where the audience is aware they're engaging with another person, even if that person is the filmmaker, when they're watching something."
He continued, "And I think that's the reason why you're seeing directors like Guillermo [del Toro] and directors like Director Bong [Joon Ho] and directors like PTA [Paul Thomas Anderson]. And I'm seeing fan bases growing up around them because they are voices, and the audience is having a connection with them when they're watching their movies. An AI slop bucket piece of shit was never going to be able to have that connection with an audience because it's never lived. So no, I think these are crazy times, and I think there are really hard things about these times. But ultimately, I feel secure that people are going to keep wanting to get together and watch stories."
For more from our Say More interview with Johnson, check out the full interview on YouTube.
